NON NOBIS [IC-mutants -RP]

((note sent to crusaders network and attacked on the walls in Spiritus, Good, Vampire and Remembrance. So can be deemed as publicly visible IC))


NON NOBIS DOMINE  NON NOBIS SED NOMINI TUO DA GLORIAM

Here we talk to the free Norians.

In the last weeks, a line has been drawn:
On one side all the individuals, groups, and factions that refused to  bow to the "mutant" puppets. They prefer to stand and die honorably instead of kneeling. They prefer to rely on their own strength and skills instead of kissing mutant ass for some help. They proved to be true Norians, not silly goats or worse, bleating sheep. Doesn't matter if they're friend or foe for us Crusaders, they deserve respect.
On the other side the weaklings - the ones who knelt and bowed tossed away their honor. Unable to stand alone, forced by their own true pathetic nature, they begged for the mutants' help for lack of their own skills and strength. As Legion or their lapdogs, Ruin and many others who we haven't the time to name, did. We do not resent or blame them, for who can blame the weaklings when it is their nature to bend and bow to power?

To Bizarre Obscure, maker and driver of the mutant gummy puppets, we humbly suggest to come back to care for her people instead of wasting resources to create artificial super-soldiers to reach her goal: eradicating and driving out of NOR any other faction or group, turning the Nation of Remembrance in an empty, flat and  monotone wasteland; a pasture for goats.

"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."

~ Abe Tristan ~

LIDERC POLITICAL STANDINGS 10.0 (1 Aug 011) [IC]

- ENEMIES
(this are declared enemies and will probably attack you. Feel free to attack them)
* Rejects
* Corvinus Knights (inactive?)


- HOSTILES
(Liderc don't have severe issues with these groups. However they're gnerally allied with our enemies.  No need to attack them always but pay attention they could jump in. Also, some of them seems lacking of a clear policy or characterization, splitted in subgroup or individuals out of control)
* Ruin (actually a truce going on)
* Emerald Palace:
(No clear policy they seems to act mostly according to individuals dating and mood. Mostly a Ruin sub-group)
* Legion, Legion Of The Damned, LoTD
* Ventrue Sabbat
* Lahar
* Any mutants affiliate/supporter/infected or whatever is 'hostile' regardless for the faction


- FRIENDS
(Not formally allied but Support, help and be nice with them :) )
* LS, Lycan Syndacate (Morph group)
* CM, Chaos Marine
* Sci-Tron (Drexter machina group)


- ALLIED
(as "friends" but with operative alliance channels, coordination and shared policy)

* Vashar
* Invictus Sanguinis
* In general anyone in the Cursaders of NOR
* AN, Asmodeus Ness

- NEUTRAL/OTHERS</strong>
* Lace
* Underworld Guardians/Phoenix
* Gangrels
* Malkavians of NOR
* Maneki-Neko

* Angels of Death (Aigle Voom  and Omega Brook group)



- OUTDATED/INACTIVES(old groups not too much around anymore or with no evidence about them)

* Tzildalaris
(seems dead faction, only 1-2 active members. Ruin sub-group. 'hostile' )

* GK, Gloriosae Kaos
(seems disbanded or in sleeping mode , but since there's no diplomatic/politic evidence of change their status is 'hostile')

* CLM, Chaos Legion Marines (new legion subgroup built to replace CM)
(seems disbanded or in sleeping mode , but since there's no diplomatic/politic evidence of change their status is 'hostile')

* Demonkind Militia, The United Forces of Demonkind
(seems disbanded or in sleeping mode , but since there's no diplomatic/politic evidence of change their status is 'hostile')

* Abyss
(disbanded or in sleeping mode , but since there's no diplomatic/politic evidence of change their status is 'hostile')

* SINister
(disbanded or in sleeping mode , but since there's no diplomatic/politic evidence of change their status is 'hostile')



NOTE:

* Any group not listed here have to be considerated "neutral" (report any hostile action from them or anything else so we can tune the standings if needed)

* Any subgroups related to the ones listed here inherit the status of the "main" group ((this include also alt/fake groups))

* In case of multifactioned people the more negative standing have to be applied

Reminder on the so-called "libation" [IC]

((Liderc group internal IC note))

Just a reminder for all Liderc:
The so-called "libation" pratice still in use for some rural Reliance rsidents is deemed - according to our Law - as a simple and plain aggression act.
Everyone is invited to deal with this kind of request in the proper way according to Liderc Laws, as an aggression.

To be clear: defend yourself againt the aggressors and kill them.

~Abe Tristan~

LIDERC-CM Alliance agreement

*** Terms of Alliance between LIDERC and CM/AN ***

CM/AN and LIDERC decide to work to restore the traditional, ancient bounds that historically kept their families united to counter any incoming threat for NOR. Accordingly we, as leaders and representative of our factions, state the following:

1. LIDERC and CM/AN agree to an alliance as equal partners.

2. The two families will support each other military, politically and economically.

3. If needed LIDERC and CM/AN will support each other military by request and can include, but is not limited to: Combined military training, Supporting offensive actions against any common threat for the two families or for the Nation Of Remembrance.

4. CM/AN and LIDERC respect each others independence and own course. We accept that minor conflicts between individual members might occur and will open a dialog should the disagreements of the members start to threaten the stability of the alliance, LIDERC and CM will act on verified facts rather then rumors should they be spread.

5. Political discussions that have a reasonable risk of affection the other should be discussed first.

6.CM/AN and LIDERC will support each others businesses and their members (exchanging posters, protection against military and economical aggression.

7. Taken the previous points into account, LIDERC and CM/AN agree that they will not plan or start any military or political action against each other. They will defend each others point of view in the open and discuss different political issues in private.

8.CM/AN and LIDERC will encourage interaction between their members to increase friendship ((and stimulate roleplay)).

Signed in Honor by:

Asiandagon Graves - Commander to The Chaos Marines and Asmodeus Ness.
Abe tristan - Liderc Council.

Latin love to hate Liderc party

Nice party on Liderc base roof.  Slaughtering people can be draining and  sometime one needs some rest. Not too long anyway...

Thank you to everyone for coming.
Mostly considering there were no need of special hotspot or  XP reward...

[15:37]  Hecate DuCasse: damn, I havent seen so many people in Spiritus since Urby's wedding
[15:37]  DaSein Noyes: urby who

Liderc/CM diplomacy on prisoners treatment [IC]

[IC] Liderc/CM diplomacy on prisoners treatment Posted at 2010/11/02 17:52</td>
((IC note sent to Liderc group))


We had this convo with Lily from CM. Basically the idea was to find an agreement on prioners tratments and such:

[12:30 PM] Lily Citron: (Saved Tue Nov 02 17:20:09 2010) hi Abe talked to dad he likes the idea and wants this to happen he is also curbing all rapes except on certain cases
[12:30 PM] Lily Citron: (Saved Tue Nov 02 17:20:26 2010) those being extreme cases
[12:30 PM] Lily Citron: (Saved Tue Nov 02 17:21:52 2010) he wants to form a prisoner agreement and maybe have everyone sign on it to show we want even prisoners treated with some respect let me know if this is something you might want to help with and give input
[12:38 PM] Abe Tristan: well, what the terms of this, wich factions would be involved, and who decides the &amp;quot;extreme cases&amp;quot;?
[12:39 PM] Lily Citron: that neeeds to be discussed
[12:39 PM] Lily Citron: first do we have a deal between you and CM?
[12:41 PM] Abe Tristan: Liderc and CM?
[12:41 PM] Lily Citron: yes
[12:42 PM] Abe Tristan: I’ve to consult my people too
[12:42 PM] Lily Citron: thank you


This is our official answer to her in a letter:
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To: Lily Citron
CC: All Liderc memebers and Crusaders

Dear Lily,
we all appreciate you and the effort you put in diplomacy and inter-factions relationship.
However Koshi always broke any treat and agreement CM signed. Waste of time and energies. He cannot considerated a faction leader, actually CM are leaded by a clown good only to run like a rabbit all the time or to invent ridicolous trick to avoid consequences of his actions. Liderc don’t want to have any kind of deal deal with that idiot.
We’re fighters; tortures, rapes, mutilations... all this is part of our job. If one is scared to be wounded shouldn’t fight at all.
We’re Norians, we follow the NOR ways: an eye for an eye.

The Liderc Council
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DaS take over, phone calls and side views Posted at 2010/09/21 18:17

*** DaSein Noyes delivers to Abe his note about the ’take over&amp;quot; of Demonkind:
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[09:07 PM] DaSein Noyes: DaSein takes over
Sunday, 19 Sep 2010 04:01:18 GMT
dasein noyes hereby accuses mikron of incompetence
and crimes against demonkind in the witnessed murder of a demon nobel , aja zanzibar, and orders his arrest
declares alcibiades as at unable to complete her fiduciary of keeping demonkind united
and declares himself to be
dasein noyes, prince regent of demonkind
and head of the demon government
as such he orders the arrests of bizarre obscure and mikron
and delares war on all members of the discredited demon family of legion legacy
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09:12 PM] Abe Tristan take is phone bothered and call DaS "so what is this shit? they’re not enough for everyone"
[09:12 PM] Abe Tristan: AND: we saw them first!
[09:13 PM] DaSein Noyes: laughs at abe’s words
[09:13 PM] DaSein Noyes: you go in first and i’ll clean up
[09:13 PM] Abe Tristan: no way, my people is bored... at least do not touch Abyss, they’re our
[09:13 PM] DaSein Noyes: ok
[09:14 PM] DaSein Noyes: i give you abyss
[09:14 PM] Abe Tristan: fuck... such a great deal... they’re the only Kammer, now... not enough, I want CM too
[09:14 PM] DaSein Noyes: and vestner and medusa
[09:14 PM] DaSein Noyes: they’re meaty
[09:15 PM] Abe Tristan: then, we keep them
[09:15 PM] Abe Tristan: you get Mikroon, is a good business for you
[09:15 PM] DaSein Noyes: deal
[09:16 PM] DaSein Noyes: i get biz and mik you get abyss
[09:16 PM] DaSein Noyes: mik cries a lot anyway
[09:16 PM] Abe Tristan: well.. Koshi too...
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: koshi is biz’s yeah
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: i’m not sure which side the palace and cm will fall on
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: asmodeus is with me obviously
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: and abyss ...
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: without eric
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: who cares
[09:19 PM] DaSein Noyes: laughs
[09:19 PM] Abe Tristan: uh, does Asmodeus support you?
[09:20 PM] DaSein Noyes: aja is the murdered one and she was a amodeus officer
[09:20 PM] DaSein Noyes: and my wife
[09:20 PM] Abe Tristan nods "indeed... however I heard she wasnt very happy to you..."
[09:21 PM] DaSein Noyes: our disagreement was over aja ...
[09:21 PM] DaSein Noyes trails off and becomes quiet
[09:22 PM] DaSein Noyes: anyway its a heads up to what to expect politicly
[09:22 PM] DaSein Noyes: its in my interest that youa re aware
[09:23 PM] Abe Tristan: so I assume that their plot... umh... how to say... their plot to kill you is over
[09:23 PM] DaSein Noyes: well one never knows with powerstruggles
[09:23 PM] Abe Tristan: I mean: asmodeus askig around for support to kill you
[09:23 PM] DaSein Noyes: i am certain everyone is dreaming of spanking me for something
[09:24 PM] DaSein Noyes: right
[09:24 PM] DaSein Noyes: that is ended
[09:24 PM] DaSein Noyes: at least overtly
[09:25 PM] Abe Tristan: I’m glad, cause they asked us too. And we signed a friendship treat with Asmodeus
[09:25 PM] DaSein Noyes: i’m not really worried about your attacks
[09:25 PM] DaSein Noyes: keep em coming
[09:26 PM] Abe Tristan: we don’t attack too much, Lace never was flagged as primary target for us or for our alliance

[09:31 PM] DaSein Noyes forgets the phone on and keeps talking to asian

[09:31 PM] DaSein Noyes: [21:30] DaSein Noyes: i mean it
[21:30] asiandragon Graves: so do i
[21:30] DaSein Noyes smiles
[21:30] asiandragon Graves: you think your angry
[21:30] asiandragon Graves: dont piss me off Das
[21:30] DaSein Noyes: i neeed you

[09:31 PM] DaSein Noyes: phone goes dead

*** Spiritus Sancti, Liderc compound, The day after. Abe meet Penny in their private apt

[05:13 PM] Abe Tristan: "Penny, watch this" hands to Penny a paper with the DaSein ’take over declaration’ "read what DaS is doing..."
[05:14 PM] PennySage Writer take the paper from him..."ok uhmm read what..which page"...fumbles with the paper
[05:15 PM] Abe Tristan mutters bothered and point on the page "here, here"
[05:17 PM] PennySage Writer: "aww ok found..." read it ....starts to giggle... "is he serious ...cant be...going to take over demon"...*laughs*...."love this part he going to arrest mikron"
[05:18 PM] PennySage Writer: "oh wait excuse me he ordering mikron arrest...." snickers
[05:18 PM] Abe Tristan rolls his eyes "the point is not if he can take them over... of course, this will end with Biz eating his balls... the point is he’s going to steal OUR targets"
[05:20 PM] PennySage Writer puts the paper down....looks at abe... "well this is a bit weird....if we target lace...be like helping the demons...if we still target demons ..be like helping lace"
[05:21 PM] PennySage Writer: "or we could just watch let them kill each other...then we target the one left standing"
[05:22 PM] Abe Tristan: Penny... who cares about Lace, they never was a problem nor a primary target for us... the point is: there’re enough targets for everyone, is already hard enough to find some of them to kill for Liderc and Vashar, go figure with a third competitor
[05:23 PM] PennySage Writer: so what we going to do about it?
[05:24 PM] Abe Tristan: still not sure.. in the meantime I called him saying to stay away from Abyss and CM. Fuck, we saw them before, they belong to us
[05:29 PM] PennySage Writer leans up and kisses his cheek... "well that give us kammer and koshi .....they both bore me to death"
[05:29 PM] Abe Tristan nods "I know... I told this to DaS" caress your head distractly too busy in his thoughts "quot;we’ll see, we have to talk with allies too. But will be fun to see for sure. I’m durious to see the reaction of Alci"
[05:30 PM] PennySage Writer softly sigh... "does this mean i cant get jayne head on the walls for artwork ......for what she did to poor sweet elektra"
[05:31 PM] Abe Tristan shrugs "of course you can, doesn’t matter"
[05:32 PM] Abe Tristan: but that’s just only an hobby, not a major politic issue
[05:33 PM] PennySage Writer smiles sweetly at him.... "well can we practice some other hobbies i do so love to do...right now"
[05:37 PM] Abe Tristan smiles as his hand slowly runs on your chest "umh, sounds as a good politic option for now. We’ll care later for the take over..."

On the so called "Spawn" being [IC]

((IC note delivered by Liderc diplomats to the Nor factions leaders - Posted at 2010/07/21 06:58))

ON THE SO CALLED "SPAWN" BEING

In most recent events and any logical evidence in the Nation, leads us to draw a more clear picture behind this "Spawn" being. We believe that in this (desperate) try from, Mikron and his gang to save their sore asses after being repeatedly defeated in the last months, that he conjured this idea to bring "Spawn" back.

Also, we have to notice as many of the "witches" involved in these events are well known as former members of the organization called "Demons of Nor".
For this reasons the Liderc Council give mandate to all Liderc for using any tool to gather information and proof about these links.

Liderc Council

Faction Rebuilding [IC]

[ic] Faction Rebuilding Posted at 2010/04/26 06:27

FACTION REBUILDINGLiderc, intenral note

Effective immediately:

1. Any rank, title or role inside the clan is no longer in force. This is effective also form my Count rank, and this is my last act in this role. Since today a Council take total control of the clan with plenty of powers and a mandate to reorganize the faction.

*) Liderc (* [old manifest, archived]

*) Liderc (* [old manifest, archived] Posted at 2009/09/19 09:24





"Anything you see in Liderc is in you. If you want
to see us as vicious killers, that’s who you’ll see.
If you see us as your brothers and sisters, that’s
what we’ll be. It all depends on how much love
you have. We are you, and when you can admit
that, you will be free"
Liderc Dark Codex I,3


1. GENERAL INFOS

Liderc clan borns on the end of the Axis/Resistance conflict from the the old Armaya vampire family, and keeps and continues the true ArmayA bloodline in the Nation of Remembrance.
Our home is located in Reverance, we consider this region our homeland, protect and administer it. Even we see the whole Nation of Remembrancee and her territories as our native soil; we always pay great attention on these territories and we are always ready to intervene to contrast any possible internal or external threat.


2. LIDERC DARK CODEX

The Dark Codex is collection of thoughs, scripts and documents collected and elaborated by Liderc elders. This book enbodies the knowledge base for our clan and the main source of Liderc culture. <em>[external working in progress document, link coming soon]]</em>


3. RECRUITMENT POLICY

Liderc is an elitist group based on strict blood bounds and strong friendship relations; for these reasons we are not interested in massive recruitment and large numbers. Being an active memeber in the family life and in the Nation of Remembrance life is for us one of the most evaluable quality.
A Liderc member is also expected to significantly commit in military training: this is an harsh world, surviving, preserving and handing down our blood lineage is always a major goal.


4. RACIAL POLICY

Liderc is founded on Nocturnals lineage but any race can join and find his home in Liderc. Terrans and Elfs, as not entitled to hand down an evil lineage , will join the clan in an alternative status and will not be able to hold the highest ranks in the clan (Elder).

(Note: as general rule we consider the "race" in the character’s sheet cause this is the only objective evidence of a character racial).


5. CONTACTS

For any information, question or issue about Liderc feel free to contact:

Megan terry
Abe Tristan
PennySage Writer